legal land access issues
Access to Taranaki's iconic Whitecliffs walkway on shaky ground
http://www.stuff.co.nz/taranaki-daily-news/news/82328852/access-to-taranakis-iconic-whitecliffs-walkway-on-shaky-ground
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how unique, an area where hunters share the land usage with various other recreations, never heard of that before, and so many people end up getting shot in treeless landscapes... i mean people look so much like deer standing out in the open...
@izogi - wasn't criticising you linking it at all. Was merely amused / concerned by the difference in my reaction to the two press releases dependent on how much I knew about the background.
@waynowski - I really feel there is a 'movement' around at the moment aiming for 'sole occupancy' hunting blocks with other hunters AND trampers excluded. No idea who's behind it, but as with the former freedom camping campaign I'm suspiscious as I've seen pretty much the same wording repeatedly in different statements, stories.
e.g.
http://www.odt.co.nz/news/dunedin/382113/call-restrict-hunters
the excuses they are giving are just ridiculous, there has to be something else to it. you usually dont worry about hunters and others mixxing unless hunters are really thick on the ground in dense bush, and that seldom happens in the south island.
The problem isn't hunters mixing with other users of an area, it's hunters mixing with hunters.
2-5 people are shot in hunting accidents each year, there would have perhaps been only 1 or 2 non hunters shot by hunters in the last 50 years.
Shoot a rifle in any direction in forest the bullet isnt going to go much further than a few hundred meters before hitting a tree etc. Open ground it can be a km +
Even so the rules of identifying targets and being mindful of where a miss will go should be enough to keep everyone safe
The arrival of gun-toting hunters to high country conservation land has upset its neighbours, who say the public are not safe
http://www.stuff.co.nz/business/farming/82581253/Guns-in-the-high-country-Stations-standoff-with-Department-of-Conservation
As I said earlier they have a responsibility under new H&S laws and probably believe they are doing the right thing. H&S laws only apply to there place though so they dont have a responsibility once a person passes out of there land.
I have to wonder if there is more to this but how does one find out. Did they ever apply for any Doc concessions of any kind?
Hunting and tramping are getting more common in the tussocklands as little pockets of conservation land get joined up into bigger blocks as more properties go through Tenure Review. More and more conservation land also gets added to the open hunting permit system. Landowners agree to easements into small fragmented little known pockets of public land with restricted hunting permitted, expecting minimal use. But years later find themselves on a major highway to large blocks of prime open hunting and tramping country. And every hunter, they might fear, is a potential poacher.
Most of those easement have tight conditions mostly blocking firearms. Legal roads through a property can have very little in the way of control but then again despite running through a property they are not part of it
Puzzling: DOC are quoted by the newspapers (in the link above) as saying that firearms are not permitted on the easement, as @geeves suggests. But in the easement contract itself (below: Part I, page 40 onwards) there is no mention of this restriction.
http://www.linz.govt.nz/crown-property/crown-pastoral-land/status-and-location-crown-pastoral-land/mt-pisa-i
The only external document referenced by the easement as an 'exclusion' is section 90D of the land transfer act:
http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/public/1952/0052/25.0/DLM270656.html
And this appears to be nothing to do with the right to carry firearms either.
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