Tramping infrastructure

Isnt it called trail blazing where markers are left on trees to show direction - but I dont think they are official track markers but markers you make to show where you have been if you get lost? not 100% sure if I am correct. If official trails are not established by the USFS would that mean there would be no official maps which show trails?

Blazes are a type of trail marker sometimes used in the eastern U.S. They can just be white paint on a tree. Like our old permolat.

My misunderstanding. I thought Exilr was referring to a category of maintained trails in the US, such as our Great Walks. Yes, blazes on trees are a common form of trail marking, whether painted or carved into the bark (old school and often damaging the tree). There's many examples of old NZFS tracks marked thusly. There definitely are established trails and an abundance of maps for USFS trails, including the USGS topo maps at 1:24,000 scale, plus an abundance of privately published trail guides. I think my original comments are reflective of my general cynicism towards the lack of funding for the USFS as primarily experienced in the Ventana, and a genuine appreciation for what we have here in NZ. The USFS website is actually pretty cool with lots of great info: https://www.fs.fed.us/ Indeed, the whole world is beautiful and the US is no exception. Perhaps to clarify my comments, I do understand and value wilderness areas having no facilities, markings, nor tracks; this is part of the fun of being in such a place. But when I witness what once were splendid facilities in the '50s and '60s being left to rot while successive American governments embarked on thoughtless misadventures and neglected conservation, it breaks my heart. For example, in my beloved Ventana there was an expertly engineered network of tracks, dotted with primitive signed campsites that more often than not had a fire half-barrel with grate, picnic table, and clear pitch sites free of poison oak sprouts. The Ventana is now a shadow of what it was, with trails often lost to overgrowth, slumping, slips, and fires; barely recognizable camps with a rotting table top if anything, unusable rusted barrel fire ring, and overgrown pitch sites; poison oak forests forming a diabolical gauntlet to pass through; and enough downed trees to turn your tramp into an hours long acrobatic dance over, under, and through tangles of branches and trunks. Anyhoo, rant over. Thank goodness I live in godzone.

It sounds awful now. Makes me very grateful with what we have.

Whats the story with poison oak. Ive heard of it but know nothing about it. Is it similar to poison ivy in effect? Over here I have seen tracks overgrown with ongaonga but Doc generally do a good job cutting it back. Love to know how they do that without wearing those stinging leaves.

Poison oak is rather similar to poison ivy in its effects on sensitive people. Both can cause delayed severe dermatitis. There is no pain when you touch the plant or something that has been in contact with the plant such as a dog, child or clothing. Smoke can cause problems if the plant is burned. Poison oak is much harder to detect than ongaonga.

I imagine when dealing with ongaonga that a long-handled slasher would be the thing. I've only attempted to cut it back once - on the Lake Kaurapataka track at Arthurs Pass.

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